![]() ![]() I posit that the desire to translate everything into words already existing so that any unusual concept can be interpreted purely in terms of what you already know, if followed, would have meant that we still lived in the dark ages.īTW, I think you will find that the word 'pretentious' was used on this page before I repeated it. In a reciprocal vein, I suspect that you would prefer a page on 'clever plays' rather than 'tesuji', since this is an obvious, meaningful, well-understood, 100%-mapped term in the language being spoken? If I wanted to be really pedantic with respect to the rule you appear to want to adhere to, I'd say that, as long as 'Go Board' includes the word 'Go', you are still not using an english term. Taking your sarcasm (always a great technique for constructive discussions) at face value, if 'ishi' is current usage, I would be happy to use it. If you want to define Go board further than 'translation of Goban, sometimes used to specifically imply a table-top play surface', please feel free, but why should it upset you that I reinstate the Goban page? (As an example, the 'french SL' defines a Goban as " the board you play Go on" ^) It therefore seems logical that Goban should be the 'base term' and 'go board' just an instance of a local variant. To get back to the issue at hand, and as hinted at above, the word "Goban" appears to carry far more relevance on SL than the expression "Go board". Nor can I, a posteriori, find any trace of such a discussion. I missed when the content of Goban was moved to Go board, and I also seem to have missed the discussion of that event which you, quite rightly, point out should have taken place. Your comment regarding acceptability would have been valid had I removed the Go board contents, which you can see that I did not, indeed, I never edited it at all. Morten Which most recent edits? The one that deleted the entire contents of the Goban page or the one which was marked as a minorchange? You may have noted that my edit did not remove any text but reinstated a previous version. Please restore the most recent edits, and then we can have a discussion about the best way to deal with this. ![]() It is not acceptable to entirely revert the page without having the appropriate discussion. A comment on the pre-edit go board page said exactly the same thing, just without using the word "deprecated". And no one labeled anyone as "pretentious" rather, a term was indicated to be "deprecated".Īctually, this is nothing new anyway. Would you rather be caught out by the "off-stump slip" or by "the man standing behind you to your left, assuming that you are a left-handed batsman"? īob Myers: Re: your "rant", could you clarify why "goban" should be an exception to the rule to use English where it's available, in the same way we use "stone" instead of "ishi"? Using "go board" is not "dumbing down", it's using an obvious, meaningful, well-understood, 100%-mapped term in the language being spoken. Dumbing them down to the lowest possible denominator is counterproductive in the long run. Any field, whether it be a sport, game or field of study, has its own specific terms and phrases. It annoys me when people try to put everything into basic basic mode just because it's meant to make it 'easier for beginnners' and then proceed to label those who do not do this as 'pretentious'. I have never heard the term 'go board' used by anyone, except those who avoid using 'atari' and invent their own term ("warning" being a particularly bad offender). Morten: Sorry, but that sounds like a bunch of over politically correct nonsense. In SL terms, I think the only word of warning needed is not to sloppily or pretentiously use goban when any go board is meant. In which case goban will do as well as any. But since the Japanese traditional board is both an unusual object and on object of veneration in the west, it may not be a bad idea to have a special word for it. The reason it's deprecated is usually because many westerners use goban to refer only to a traditional Japanese legged board, but in Japan any go board is a goban. Hicham: Is the use of goban really depreciated or is this just a personal opinion? As far as I know in dutch and french, the term goban is widely used, and I never encountered any english speking player who had a problem with this term.
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